you gotta show me some camera tricks and adjusting the move rotate and scale tool orientation. those were two things i was struggling with during the last bits of this tutorial. also why does 3ds max not show object i created in the list on the left? yeah kind of left this to last minute but i should be able to crank these out non till tuesday learned how to make and mirror that bit i made and mirroed this bits but why didnt they just appear across like the other engine bay bit made and arrayed the front grill made the sail now this was a hodgepodge of multiple tools but it was nice to be able to see how to warp and bend something without touching the actual vertices took a creative liberty at this point in the interest of time, also this is where i was struggling with aligning the the scale and rotate tools then made and manipulated the back sail. and that knocks out another module.